Rishi Bajaj, Liz Kranz, Max McGarr…

16 07 2014

http://nypost.com/2013/03/03/beauty-queen-took-my-heart-then-she-took-me-for-96000-ride-hedge-funders-suit/

a rather interesting story for sharing. A beauty queen who was with a hedge fund manager, go on shopping spree in Europe and travels in exotic location using her ex’s money, leaves the rich man for an MMA hunk, for the obvious reason I will not repeat.this story sounds eerily similar to the show Average Joe, where the beauty queen Melana Scantlin chose the handsome waiter Jason Peoples over the successful Wall Street Trader Adam Mesh. Only in the west will money lose out time and time again to looks.

It is interesting to note if a similar headline in East Asia takes place will be the complete different. You will hear the headlines of the beauty queen leaving the MMA hunk for the hedge fund manager.

Hypergamy is hardwired in the genetics. Looks beat Money in the west, money beats looks in the east, its simply one form of hypergamy for another.

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16 07 2014
P Ray

The older the woman the bigger the demands.
He should have shown a new college student what a cool life was like.

Plus she’d have known that in those circles, she’d be replace-able if she wanted to play games with him (other girls would have noticed the cool experiences and WHOM she was having them with).

Bajaj picked a beauty queen, who travels with the criminal or moneyed elements in society. Wrong choice for a hedge fund manager.

20 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@ survivingincel:
“of course they are married, they are getting what they can from the used up sluts that fucked badboys all their lives”

Unlikely, for they are in their twenties or early thirties, dating girls of their age from their university or first workplace.
But they are not sore assholes. They like their lives and care for their social skills, personal looks, and have not an irrational, childish grudge against women who won’t fuck them.

And by the way, you should stop pretending to be a “nice guy” if your pre-made idea of young women dating guys is “sluts that fucked badboys”.
You are a bad boy if you believe it. I would say a bad person, even.

You don’t want to see the obvious: all women are not vicious sluts, and all the whole world is not against you. You are doing something wrong, and you are ellaborating a whole social theory instead of identifying what’s wrong in your socializing.

I started dating really late. I was quite fool and clumsy and lacked basic social skills. Had a terrible taste in clothes, bad taste in music and a lot of pre-conceived wrong ideas. But then I realized what I was doing wrong. Just as most people in the world.

20 07 2014
survivingincel

dude, if I am an evil bastard like you are trying to imply, I’ll be getting laid left and right and not writing this blog. you don’t know me in real life. If you did you’ll be quite surprised by the life I live.

also realize that here in america, the average number of partners a typical woman between the age of twenty and thirds already number from 12 to 27. remember, women often understate the number of partners they have and disregard one night stands and “mistakes” with guys they don’t like

if you actually read this blog you should also realize this blog is actually about self improvement. I stated in the very beginning I was doing something wrong. I was a reclusive obese nerd, and Its about me changing my diet and hitting the gym hard. I am criticizing myself and society. I chose not to see the obvious when its right in front of me, that looks matter above all else in this society, and I had no one to blame but myself. I regretted that I did not see this earlier until the age of 27.

20 07 2014
survivingincel

and one more thing if you believe these women are all angels who suffer in the hands of all men, you are still a fool and and bigger fool than ever before.

20 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

“I chose not to see the obvious when its right in front of me, that looks matter above all else in this society”

They don’t matter MORE, they matter FIRST.
When you watch porn, ¿What’s your criteria to get a sexual arousal? I bet it’s women you find attractive. And, of course, that perform really nicely in sex. And there’s only one way to do it: care for your looks and have some sexual experience.

About “the average number of partners a typical woman” has… sorry, but:

Who. The Fuck. Cares.

I’ve met girls who married their first boyfriends, others who are sexually adventurous. Who cares? As long as it’s their decision and do no harm to anyone else, I don’t give a shit. And you should do the same.

“this blog is actually about self improvement”.

And yet, most articles (if not all) are complains about how unfair is the world.

My unasked (and therefore, you can wipe your ass with it) advice is to speak with a woman you trust. A private, serious-but-no-drama speak.
First, state clear you have no sexual or romantic interest in her whatsoever.
Then, explain your situation and ask her what is missing or what she thinks are the things you should look to.

If she’s a good friend she’ll give you proper, realistic advice. Maybe it’s your way of talking, maybe it’s your clothes, maybe it’s your personal hygyene, maybe it’s your conversation. The best way to know is to ask someone you trust.

But leave aside any of the rethorics you display in your blog. She’ll perceive you as a mysogynist who doesn’t deserve a woman around, and all will be for nothing.

21 07 2014
survivingincel

first, as ironic as it sounds, I don’t watch porn.

secondly, I care and so should you. read the art of whore as if you don’t believe her sexual history reveals anything about herself, you are a moron(such as asking women for relationship dating advice).

yes, life is unfair, which is why I am trying to level the playing field via self improvement and expatriation. its about going to places where actual productive members of society are valued. speaking the truth that most people can’t handle is what this blog is about as well

21 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

If you don’t watch porn, I hope you at least masturbate from time to time. But let me reformulate: What kind of woman catches your attention? I bet it’s the one that catches your eye. The one you like how it looks.

Just for curiosity’s sake:
What’s your idea of “self improvement”? You mean, physical? Working out in a gym? Better hairstyle? New clothes?

Or also, your conversation, way of socializing…?

Because even if you go somewhere to look for a girl and succeed… What will keep her next to you? What will impede her from breaking up or divorcing you? What’s your long term plan?

Oh, and I read the post about the art of whore. It was the first I read from your blog, and found it disturbingly and wrong in so much ways it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

21 07 2014
survivingincel

see, it doesn’t matter who catches my attention as much as WHOSE attention I catch, as women do the choosing. I catch as much attention as the next short chubby asian man with mild level aspergers in the department of engineering

if you believe art of whore is wrong you are free to keep your delusions to yourself and pick the left overs of the handsome bad boys and the promiscuous whores, it is your choice to make

21 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

You are evading the question.
You know there’s some type of woman who you find attractive over other types. But you don’t want to answer because my reply would be “then, if you like handsome girls, why expect them not to prefer handsome guys?”.

And again I make the same question: ¿what will you do when you finally get some woman’s attention? ¿What are your plans, then? I suppose you’ve got some kind of long-term plan. ¿Marrying and self-mortifying yourself because She Can Be A Whore? ¿Look for more casual sex with Promiscuous Whores?

You’ll never find any pleasure in the company of any woman, because you see them as an enemy, no matter what they do. You’ll never trust them, you’ll never get any kind of intimacy, or support from her. I doubt you can get any physical pleasure, apart from the brief moment of relief.

I know you won’t change your view of the world just because a Spanish bloke replies some comments, but you should think of it. Because you’re putting yourself in an emotional dead end.

21 07 2014
survivingincel

If you actually read this blog, its all about stressing that looks matter for both genders and men with low SMV should improve their value. commenters like you come on here trying to imply what I am doing is wrong without giving an explanation to WHY emphasizing on improving looks is wrong, why telling men to expat to countries where their SMV is determined by their closeness to the handsome badboy, is somehow wrong.

I can’t answer your question because I really don’t have women’s attention, and never had. My looks are not up to standard yet and I am not the bad boy they crave. I have yet to expat to non-feminst countries where there’s actually good woman that I want to attract.

21 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

I believe improving your looks is RIGHT. I mean, its IMPROVING. It can’t be wrong to improve anything, can it?

So, your plans are migrate to a non-feminist country where “there’s actually good woman”.

Now, can you provide a brief list of what do you consider “good”? What are the virtues you’re looking for?

Note that I’m asking with no cynism or frowning, here. Just true interest. Evidently, your womanly virtues and mine differ greatly, but how much do they?

22 07 2014
survivingincel

why do you want me to repeat myself? all this has been covered in the previous posts and discussions. Its actually not my place to have preferences. It is up to the women to choose. What sort of qualities do women in the west look for? what qualities do women non-feminist countries look for? this has been discussed already and its very obvious

From all of your comments have me utterly convinced that Art of Whore is real, it has certainly worked its charm on you

22 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Sorry, I haven’t read your whole blog. Just some posts.

Evidently, we have really diverging point of view about relationships men-woman and what’s wrong in society in general. I just read that particular post of Art of Whoring and I found it quite comical… in a pathetic way. As a piece of social analysis is crappy and has so many flaws I don’t know where to start from.

But then, it’s interesting to read, not for its value, but for the information that it gives about a particular community. In a certain way, it resembles some of the blogs of women who were raped, or have really serious issues with men, but in the opposite direction.

I won’t bother you anymore (in this thread, at least), I’ll do my homework and read your blog (and related ones) fully.

22 07 2014
survivingincel

good day and keep you delusions to yourself

26 07 2014
P Ray

Alberto produces his own porn apparently.
But incels are all evil people.
“Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque
June 02, 2014 at 03:39 am

In fact, I work in porn for a living and produce MY OWN artsy-fartsy porn sometimes, just because I like it but is absolutely non-commercial and I could not make a living with it. You know, queer, or aesthethically driven porn, more than the mainstream stuff.

Read more at http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/05/23/hate-porn-hate-child-abuse-sex-slavery/#YyaxObpKRohYUoER.99

26 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Yep. I do.

I like to see people having fun and sex, and that’s what I do when I can. I usually produce with friends, from common ideas or to try something we find arousing.

Is something evil in doing it?
And, is this relevant for this thread?

And maybe it’s a bit of offtopic, but is there a common incel position about porn and sex depictions? Is it seen as nice, good, or frowned upon?

27 07 2014
survivingincel

I have no interest in watching other people having sex. unless of course you are offering me a position in your porn which we can talk

27 07 2014
survivingincel

no wonder he is so militant in opposing prostitution. if it is affordable and easily available the porn industry would take a huge hit…

27 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Interesting point… But somewhat mistaken.

Here in Spain prostitution is legal and affordable (ranging from 25€-75€ each service). It’s easy to find a sex worker, they put ads on newspapers, and bussiness cards on parked cars. And yet, Spanish men (and a growing number of women) consume porn. So it’s not that easy.

“No wonder he’s so militant”…

Read again my comments. I haven’t said a word against prostitution. I’m against violence against women, and against the slut shaming I’ve seen defended in this and other blogs, but I’m pro-sex-work.

I think they’re providing a service that society needs direly, and keeping it illegal is an exercise in hypocresy.

28 07 2014
survivingincel

again, read the damn blog. when did I ever advocate violence? the bitches chose the trash badboys, they get treated like trash by the bad boys.

remember franks comments. being a whore and a slut is actually different. a whore exchange sex for money to anyone.

the slut fucks 100 badboys, suck 100 dicks, and expect the nice guy to settle with them after they hit the wall to provide for her 8 kids from different fathers. If the nice guy refuse he gets shamed. like the way you try to shame me, even though its painfully obvious your are the bucking beta feminism has fucked over.

28 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

I don’t try to shame you. Nor lecture you. Sorry if that was the impression you got. Blame my lack of english expression or my redaction skills.

You can have your own filters and criteria for finding a partner, of course. Many women won’t marry divorced men, either. In Spain it was called “Second table dish”, back in the good ol’ ultra-catholic days.

But blog and most comments show a simplistic view of the world and the complexity of human interactions, that will prevent you from getting a partner as effectively as bad looks. I’m not speaking of one night stands, here, looks and some social skills will grant you those. Think about the first restaurant conversation, when she asks you ” and why didn’t you marry”?

If your answer has the words “slut”, ” alpha-beta males” or “leftovers”, say goodbay to any chance to have a second date.

But even if you go abroad to get married with a “good woman” that won’t pay attention to that (mis)conception of the world on the first date, what’s your plan to KEEP married? Displaying such hostile attitude towards women in general will be perceived as insecure and aggressive (I perceive it like that, and I’m not even a woman), and it can lead to divorce, or simply not getting beyond than the dating stage.

Again, I don’t want to lecture or shame, but you seem intelligent and I’m sure you like to be confronted with respectful arguments and not only a “Yeah, brother, I agree” choir from people with no experience with women whatsoever.

1 02 2015
henry

you sound gay dude stfu

16 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Funny that in “related contents” there’s this insightful article:

http://nypost.com/2014/07/15/the-5-worst-types-of-guys-to-date-in-nyc/

Please skip to the “nice guys complaining” part.

16 07 2014
P Ray

LOL @ women of New York City, which is one of the most expensive places to live in. Plus, very certain they’ve gone through several mind-shattering relationship breakups, so the only guy they are after, is one who has had even more “experience” than them, which is the kind of guy they will later say they don’t want.

I told him that women actually do want to date nice guys, but they don’t want to date guys who are pretending to be nice in exchange for sex.
Because the purpose of dating and relationships is not sex, it’s to reconnect with the divine in each of us. Or it really is sex, but sex on a woman’s timetable, so it’s not really sex?
Did I get that right?

“I believe the meme that “betas are manipulative assholes” is a self-serving meme created by alphas (+puas) and women to maintain and justify the status quo. For alphas, it justifies their over-aggressive, domineering personality; it somehow excuses their behavior as ‘honest’. For women, this allows them social cover to prefer an alpha douchebag. Together, they have tried to convince betas that being a decent person is a bad thing.

Not disclosing your interest in a woman and claiming you compare favorably to other men are misdemeanors compared to the felonies that alphas often commit. I agree beta orbiting is a losing strategy; for that reason alone it should be abandoned. But that’s only because women want an aggressive man who displays qualities of high-value, whether he has high-value or not. Ignoring a lower value man is demonstrating high-value as a man; so that is what alphas and PUA alphas do. Talking over other men and speaking loudly is a trait of a high-value man who is used to being heard. Insulting other men to their face, and getting away with it (this part being crucial), is definitely a trait of high-value men. I agree with the parts of alpha that say put a woman in her place. I am more circumspect about the traits of an alpha that instruct men to gain value by using aggression to move your way up the pecking order. Then of course one can be direct with a woman about your sexual intentions because after observing these asshole/dominant traits, it’s game-on.

Being alpha, in a way, is succumbing to a woman’s world view of how one ought to be. If you’re just dominant with her, but compatible or cooperative with other men, she’ll see through the fakeness of your supposed ‘high-value’ and it seems that this where some PUAs fail unless they become an all-around asshole (make AMOG a permanent part of their mentality).

Just my two cents on the subject.”

17 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

The key word in this text is the “I told him that women actually do want to date nice guys, but they don’t want to date guys who are PRETENDING to be nice in exchange for sex.”. Note the Capitals.

And the purpose of dating is not (only) sex. It’s meeting someone you can connect with, not only for sex. Maybe friends, maybe lovers, maybe even a relationship… you never can tell.

About this stupid rich guy (who runs a hedge fund, so he’s not The Nice Moral Guy, IMHO): you assume it’s only about the looks. Maybe he was a complete, utter ASSHOLE who wanted only a trophy girlfriend, and the got what he deserved.

And, oh, come on, this super-rich super-stupid people are not precisely an accurate sociological sample of anything.

17 07 2014
survivingincel

women don’t usually LEAVE assholes. They leave nice guys

17 07 2014
P Ray

The key word in this text is the “I told him that women actually do want to date nice guys, but they don’t want to date guys who are PRETENDING to be nice in exchange for sex.”.
When women go from man to man to get relationships, one has to wonder whether they know who’s pretending.

And the purpose of dating is not (only) sex. It’s meeting someone you can connect with, not only for sex. Maybe friends, maybe lovers, maybe even a relationship… you never can tell.
Have you had sex with your women friends? They call those “f*ck buddies” or “friends with benefits” but not “friends”.
Lovers and relationships, people have sex in those!

Way to act out your sexual crypsis.

Maybe he was a complete, utter ASSHOLE who wanted only a trophy girlfriend, and the got what he deserved.
If he was after a trophy girlfriend WHY would he risk putting his name out in public to get compensation? That only makes other women wary of him, since “women don’t like complainers, it stops them from having the spotlight”.

18 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

I’ve got like half a dozen women friends, who I dated (and yes, had sex with) but, in the end, were not that compatible. But we are good friends now.

About going “from man to man”, it could be said too for me, for I’ve had my share of casual sex. Sometimes the personal connection was good enough to become a stable relationship. Sometimes no. My current girlfriend and I met just looking for casual sex, but we connected really well and now we’re a couple.

But there’s only one way to find a partner, and that’s by trial and error (and some good sense).

And please, for each story about cheating, manipulative woman there’s another of a cheating, manipulative man. There’s millions of single or divorced women raising children without any help from the runaway fathers, for an example.

18 07 2014
survivingincel

this is the exact version about the bitch and cad culture Franklin and indomitable thought spoke against.

Casual sex is for good looking people, we incels are not invited

18 07 2014
P Ray

I’ve got like half a dozen women friends, who I dated (and yes, had sex with) but, in the end, were not that compatible. But we are good friends now.
Thanks for proving my refutation.
You were never friends with the women, without the final physical payoff of sex.
Just LOL at players telling incels what sounds like “You must be better men. Don’t try to trick women”.

19 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@survivingincel:
When you dump someone, there can be a lot of different reasons for being dumped. You can be handsome but stupid. You can be nice but boring. You can be the best lover but too jealous.
Etc.

Trial and error.

@P Ray
I’m not a “player”. I can tell you.
By the standards of this website and using the terms I’ve read here, I fit into you ” Beta Good Guy Leftovers etc” type.

Women have sexual desires. Just like every person in this world. And it happened a few of the ones I liked liked me too.

Neither she or I pretended to be friends to have sex in the end. We were strangers and felt attracted. Went to bed. And in fewer occasions we went to bed a few times more and THEN became friends, even if we realized we were incompatible as a couple.

You don’t have to pretend or cheat no one to have sex.

19 07 2014
survivingincel

abusive relationships are known for lasting long for a reason. moral men are boring while violent criminals are exciting. intelligent men are nerdy. its not trial and error. its called a general trend.

19 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Yeah, I’m SO SURE that all women who suffer beatings and abuse from her husband are just so infatuated with the bad exciting guy they don’t want to leave that abusive relationship. Who cares about beatings and death menaces? It only spices love!

Come on.

I only know about two girl friends who got into toxic, abusive relationships, one after another. Both of them had depression and self-esteem issues, sequels from sexual assaults. Both had been rape victims years ago. They eventually got over it -as much as you can, I suppose-, but I suppose you understand that your speech about bad boys sounds quite hollow and offensive.

19 07 2014
survivingincel

just because a statement sounds offensive, doesn’t mean its incorrect.

there are documentaries abotu women who became pen-pals and fall in love with death row inmates. show me the documentaries about women who write love -letters to engineers and theoretical physicists (like they claim smart is sexy), then we’ll talk

20 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

You don’t need a documentary.
Documentarys are for highlighting unknown aspects of society or nature.

I have a few engineer friends. Some more if I count acquitances from my favourite irc channel. Most are either married or with girlfriend. That’s a real proof of love, not a letter from a crazy woman who writes a bad guy from the safety of knowing he’ll never get out from prison to meet in person.

All these engineers and IT friends have texts, calls and emails of love from theis partners. And they live FOR REAL with them. I consider this a proof more valuable of love than a letter. And it’s not on documentaries because it’s common and everyday.

And I’m sure you know a lot more.

20 07 2014
survivingincel

of course they are married, they are getting what they can from the used up sluts that fucked badboys all their lives. then they hit the wall and their years of fertility is gone and the scrawny nerd with money doesn’t look so bad anymore

23 07 2014
P Ray

I’ve got like half a dozen women friends, who I dated (and yes, had sex with) but, in the end, were not that compatible. But we are good friends now.
Then you say
Neither she or I pretended to be friends to have sex in the end. We were strangers and felt attracted. Went to bed. And in fewer occasions we went to bed a few times more and THEN became friends, even if we realized we were incompatible as a couple.
Is this woman like that Decepticon Transformer, Sixshot?
Six different bodies in 1 woman?

Your narrative is _very_ weird and now starts to be a bit unbelievable.

I only know about two girl friends who got into toxic, abusive relationships, one after another. Both of them had depression and self-esteem issues, sequels from sexual assaults. Both had been rape victims years ago. They eventually got over it -as much as you can, I suppose-, but I suppose you understand that your speech about bad boys sounds quite hollow and offensive.
Whenever a regular-to-incel guy discovers the girl he’s with has seen more pricks than a cactus farmer,
she:
1. was raped, 2. did horse-riding, 3. practiced lots with sex toys 4. born without a hymen.

I think it’s offensive that decent men only have sluts to choose from.
It’s almost as if, women want one set of men to have sex with while they’re young and attractive,
and another set of men (regulars/incels) to pay and give them respect AFTER they have definitely shown 0 respect to those guys by choosing to be pumped and dumped previously.

24 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@ P Ray
I’m Spanish and English isn’t my mother tongue. I’m sure you can graciously overlook some grammar and vocabulary flaws.

And all your rethorics about being a decent man crumbles when you start your discourse about rape and sluts. If you really think like that, you’re not a decent man. These women I met who were rape survivors were not my girlfriends or couples or sex partners. They were FRIENDS, who I love, and who suffer sexual assault, some of them at ages of 10-12 years old. They didn’t disclose such a personal information to justify themselves of anything. It’s something I got to know because they trusted me.

But somehow I suppose you’ve got a really good reason to make them guilty or responsible in some way of being raped at 12.

“It’s almost as if, women want one set of men to have sex with while they’re young and attractive, and another set of men (regulars/incels) to pay and give them respect AFTER”

So, girls who are hot like hot guys! ¿How is this possible? And after, when they’re 30/40 they like a man OF HER OWN AGE! OMG HOW CAN IT BE THIS IS MADNESS.

And I don’t know how you manage wherever you write from, but here in Spain most women work and earn their own salary. They don’t need a “provider”, and in many cases (We’re enduring a severe economic crysis) women are the ones earning money to sustain their whole families.

24 07 2014
survivingincel

…They don’t need a “provider”

that’s exactly the reason why they fuck badboys and decent men are weeded out. You think feminism is the result of “progressive” thoughts of the twentieth century, you are a complete moron. Yeah they are your friends. you should realize by now, if women don’t make such shitty friends, most guys wouldn’t even mind being friendzoned by them.

I am glad you are commenting on this blog. you show exact the irrationality of the modern liberal.

24 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Yep. I’m irrational.
Somehow I see as a good thing that women have a job and live on their own talents and effort, instead of depending of me, or anyone else, to live their lives.

24 07 2014
survivingincel

I see a irrational chomp who gladly pick up the leftovers of bad boys, defends their slut behavior, then shame other men for not wanting used up sluts.

24 07 2014
P Ray

Hi Alberto:
Bro, English isn’t my “mother tongue”(to people who look at the colour of my skin) either, it’s just that I respect it enough to use it properly.
On the other hand, your interactions show that you hang around rape victims and get sex in the end. Pretty smooth!.

And all your rethorics about being a decent man crumbles when you start your discourse about rape and sluts.
If I don’t want to be involved with a slut or a rape victim, that’s my choice, isn’t it?

They don’t need a “provider”, and in many cases (We’re enduring a severe economic crysis) women are the ones earning money to sustain their whole families.
Watch the STD rates soar after, they’re probably selling their bodies but they deserve no extra sympathy either, as men sell their bodies too
human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/prostitution/feminist-arguments-against-prostitution-dismantled

24 07 2014
P Ray

Alberto says:
So, girls who are hot like hot guys! ¿How is this possible? And after, when they’re 30/40 they like a man OF HER OWN AGE! OMG HOW CAN IT BE THIS IS MADNESS.

Reply:
Error MORONIC LOGIC DETECTED.
The girl was always going out with guys her age BUT much later she was replaced by another one, since the guy she was with HAD MORE OPTIONS, AND his attitude of having more options WAS PRECISELY WHAT MADE HER ATTRACTED. Chicks dig jerks, ya dig?

Then, she goes after ANOTHER GUY HER AGE, who could not attract many girls previously, and PRETENDS TO BE A NICE GIRL, who was “CHEATED BY THE BAD BOY SHE CHOSE” … would the nice guy mind paying for her and all her baggage (possibly kids)?
The strategy is called “Alpha fux, beta bucks”

24 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@ P Ray

Forgive me, o, wise man, for speaking spanish in my day life and comitting the crime of mispelling and grammar-slipping when I express myself in another language! May my poor writings not offend you much!

“On the other hand, your interactions show that you hang around rape victims and get sex in the end. Pretty smooth!.”

Either I didn’t express myself well or you didn’t read well.
These women are friends of mine. I didn’t want sex with them. I had not any sex with them. They’ve got their lives and their boyfriends and their children. But they’re my friends and I love them. And eventually they told me about that, because they felt I could be trusted with that information.

And I’m somewhat relieved you don’t want to be friends of rape survivors.

“Watch the STD rates soar after, they’re probably selling their bodies”
I doubt it. I know a lot of women doing a lot of works other than prostitution. And so do you. In my line of work, ranging from cleaning the sets, be my co-worker in post-production or be my producer (boss!).
And again: if those are your thoughts about women who work hard for their families, drop the ‘nice guy’ argument. I don’t buy it.

@ survivingincel

There’s a difference of approaches here. Women who had a higher sexual activity than you’d like are “used up sluts”. But for me they’re not “used up” neither “sluts”.
Given I’m 38, I find attractive women of my own age. Women that, just as myself, had their share of sex, romance, breaking-up, etc. And yes, kids. It’s unrealistic and stupid to wish for another thing, for someone who has not LIVED her life.

And believe it or not, women with her personal history are not “leftovers”. They’re just as whole as a person as a virgin college student. But usually smarter, more experienced, and wiser. My 25-year-old-self was dumb. And no doubt, a disasterous lover, for I had no experience whatsoever.

Hope this crazyly stupid dumb point of view shows the world how irrational morons we left wingers liberals are, and further strenght your cause.

24 07 2014
survivingincel

of course, you show the same irrationality the typical liberal shows. the art of whore has worked on you. you are the bucking beta and you seem glad to be one

24 07 2014
P Ray

Your story is very interesting.
And I’m somewhat relieved you don’t want to be friends of rape survivors.
Because only women can be raped, amirite? Your trad-con colours are showing! Men get raped via false rape, false sexual harassment, false paternity …

I know a lot of women doing a lot of works other than prostitution. And so do you. In my line of work, ranging from cleaning the sets, be my co-worker in post-production or be my producer (boss!).
And again: if those are your thoughts about women who work hard for their families, drop the ‘nice guy’ argument. I don’t buy it.

Whether you buy my argument is not my concern, I’m not wanting to get in a relationship with you.
And besides, every relationship is a transaction.
In my opinion a “woman who works hard for her family” … is a single mum, divorced or widowed.
Hence, built her love history with some other guy, so … I’m not interested, thanks.

24 07 2014
P Ray

P.S. I left out “woman working for her family, who already has a relationship with somebody else” … simply because, I’m a strong believer in the idea that you don’t deal with women having a current relationship … and one that isn’t, already has a history with somebody else (see: divorced, widowed, separated, singlemum)
Why feed the divorce lawyers and divorce statistics, by being a chump?

24 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@ P Ray
or… ¿maybe the husband is currently unemployed? Does not that make her a… don’t know… good and responsible woman?
Also: the fact you don’t want to relate to them doesn’t take away the fact they work hard and need or want providers, even when they’re married. And the fact that really few of them are sex-workers.

If you don’t want to relate with women who have a former relationship you are in your rights to do it. Others won’t ever marry a woman from another ethnicity, religion or political beliefs. But good luck finding a princess into a glass coffin to wake her up with a kiss. Every year you grow older, and every women of your generation will do it, too.

About rape:
I don’t know around me a single man accused of false rape, or false harassment, ¿Do you know personally any? False paternity is easily uncovered with a cheap dna test.

But I DO KNOW women who were raped, and abused.

And, being against a crime such as rape is being a trad-con (I had to google it)? I was accused of crazy liberalism a few comments ago!
I’m promoted to Feminist Traditional Conservative Liberal Moron now?

hmm…. Surely that won’t fit into my bussiness card.

24 07 2014
survivingincel

of course they been abuse…they been fucking bad boys all their lives! what the hell else do you think its going to happen?

24 07 2014
P Ray

But good luck finding a princess into a glass coffin to wake her up with a kiss. Every year you grow older, and every women of your generation will do it, too.
LOL bro, who says I’ll be marrying a woman of my generation?
You can’t stop driven people like me, but you are welcome to try 🙂

I don’t know around me a single man accused of false rape
I do. It screwed up his life completely.
He had to leave his university.
Didn’t go to jail (the falseness was discovered), but he now cannot re-enrol, throughout the universities in his country as he was expelled and national policy is that people removed under such serious charges even if proven false are never re-admitted.
I was there when he was kicked out.
Of course, she accused him of rape 8 years after the incident
But of course women never lie about rape LOL.

24 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Sad to hear. Hope that crazy bitch was charged after that.
Using such a grave accusation just for revenge is fucked up, and goes against the real victims.

About marrying a woman younger than you, I’m not trying to stop you. Why should I? In fact, there’s a lot of women who prefer older, more mature guys for the experience, security and emotional stability they don’t find in young guys.

Wiser men already explained:

http://xkcd.com/314/

24 07 2014
survivingincel

too bad in the west they prefer the thrill and the emotional drama of the handsome badboy. when they say,” oh I can’t find a good guy”. she usually means she cannot find a HANDSOME guy.

here in America there are PLENTY of thirsty, lonely, desperate chomps who are MORE than glad to be her walking ATM

25 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@ survivingincel:
“of course they been abuse…they been fucking bad boys all their lives! what the hell else do you think its going to happen?”

I sincerely doubt a 12 year old child has been fucking bad boys all her life.

25 07 2014
survivingincel

by her father? her mother’s boyfriend?

25 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

As far as I know, one of them by her grandfather. Another by a complete stranger, at age 10 or 12.
The last one I know, by two guys her age, when she was a teenager.

But I’m pretty sure I know more. But they didn’t disclose that to me because we’re not friends that close.
Does it really matter for the topic?

27 07 2014
survivingincel

sounds like you spanish people are just as fucked up as Americans

26 07 2014
P Ray

As far as I know, one of them by her grandfather. Another by a complete stranger, at age 10 or 12.
The last one I know, by two guys her age, when she was a teenager.

I hope those women actually went to the police with those complaints,
and are not, you know …
“ATTENTION WHORING”.

26 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

I din’t know the full story of all them (didn’t want to dig into it if they didn’t want to tell me more about the details). But when something like that happens to such a small child, even a teenager, you can’t expect her to act like an adult with a clear mind.

Read some of the studies or reports about child sexual abusing (boys and girls) and you’ll see it’s often hidden by the victim.

I believe the one who was a teenager did report to the police, but I don’t know the details.

And no, none of them they weren’t “attention whoring”. We are speaking of something awful and terrible here, that fucked up the life of three wonderful people, so let’s not banalize it.

Or, as I said in a former comment, drop the role of the ” good guy” because you aren’t.

26 07 2014
P Ray

False paternity is easily uncovered with a cheap dna test.
You’re obviously very unaware that in many parts of the world, performing a paternity test …
just like performing a virginity test …
is illegal. (e.g. in France).
Obviously, women don’t want men to know how many cocks they’ve been on, or whether the child is his.
So much for women being the “fairer sex”.
They don’t mind claiming money for it via alimony though.

26 07 2014
P Ray

@Alberto:
You’re on the matt walsh blogs, right?
So how many women have you saved from prostitution?
Seems to me, like you’re the guy who makes all the right sounds, but doesn’t do the right things …
Talk is cheap, it only costs breath 🙂

27 07 2014
survivingincel

Alberto is the typical bucking beta that women turned their attention to after they hit the wall. What I notice is that “beta” men who are fucked over my the sex revolution and feminism tend to be the most militant defenders of feminism. Any theories as to why?

26 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Yeah, I commented in a Matt Walsh post, before realizing his blog is only emtpty clickbait and right-wing flaming to get visitors, so I didn’t care to visit it again.

I don’t see the reason it’s banned in France. But if a woman claims you’re the father of a child and press charges, the test is mandatory.

About saving anyone from prostitution… What kind of question is that? Have you saved someone from something? How is it relevant in this discussion?

20 07 2014
eduardkoopman

@Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque That comment section with that article in which she shows some “bad case”men, it’s really nice how they critique the woman on her pathetic article.
So top quotes from the comment section:
“Does anyone think these guys acted totally awesomely on a date?”
“Very poor writing, never mind the dating.”
“If the girl in the picture is actually the one going on these “mock” dates, she must be really annoying to still be single. And, if you need to go on a “mock” date, you shouldn’t be dating at all.”
“Men pathetic, men clueless. Women wise. How many of these pieces have to be written in New York before someone looks at it from the man’s point of view and is invited to write such a piece for the Post?”

Anyhow, I never agree and hate the paradgm where women pretend tehy do 100% of the chosing.

26 07 2014
P Ray

Some music to accompany the words “ATTENTION WHORE”

26 07 2014
P Ray

Or, as I said in a former comment, drop the role of the ” good guy” because you aren’t.
I’m not trying to get in a relationship with you, your opinion is invalid 🙂

26 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

We’re engaged in a discussion, so it’s perfectly valid. Banalizing sex offenses against children makes you a bad boy. Just a zero-social-skilled one.

26 07 2014
P Ray

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706328/Feud-Chelsea-Reality-star-faces-High-Court-writ-return-210-000-ring-bracelet-ex-boyfriend.html
Feud in Chelsea: Reality star faces High Court writ to return £210,000 ring and bracelet to ex-boyfriend
Ian Hudaly, 33, dated Made in Chelsea regular Emma Miller, 25, on and off between 2009 and 2013
After final split, he asked her to return Cartier bracelet and matching ring
Mr Hudaly, the son of a multi-millionaire dentist, put forward civil legal claim after she refused

Men have to make golddiggers run scared, because when women don’t have to face justice, they become spoiled and unaccountable.

26 07 2014
P Ray

The biggest detractors against the incels,
are the alphas who screw around (and need someone to take their leavings),
along with the women who chose them (with the idea that an incel is her cash-out plan).
But of course, because the incel doesn’t want to be extorted in this way,
HE is the bad guy (women incels … don’t exist).

You will have porn producers, drug dealers, politicians and film stars tell you that what you’re doing is wrong …
while they pay no penalty for what they did,
and you (the incel) are urged to support their irresponsibility.
F*ck that.

27 07 2014
survivingincel

yep, read some of the previous comments. they just come on here and tell me that rejecting women base on looks is wrong, but its perfectly okay for women to reject incels based on looks. and when I tell incel men to improve their looks so they can have a chance with the shallow women they call me doing hate speech.

27 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

As far as this thread concerns, no one said being attracted by the looks is a bad thing.

The delusional thing is to feel attracted by the looks but complaining about thr opposite sex doing the same.

28 07 2014
survivingincel

all I am saying is read the blog before commenting. literally all of my posts is to tell men that “women are not as visual” is pure bs they should get out of their mind. instead, hit the gym, lose weight, gain muscle, get better clothes and plastic surgery.

read the damn blog before you post shit to lecture me

28 07 2014
eduardkoopman

@Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque, I agree with wen you say “The delusional thing is to feel attracted by the looks but complaining about the opposite sex doing the same”. Because the fact in life is, is that both side want to get something out of a relationship, it’s not fair to critize someone for wanting something out of it as well. That would be hypocritical imo.
It’s fair though, to complain about women being very vague and inconsistent on what they want out of a man. Also they lie and parrot alot about what they want from a man, I guess that maybe they have some good reasons to do so (maybe for social status?).

@survivingincel You said: “my posts is to tell men that “women are not as visual” is pure bs they should get out of their mind.”
Legit, it’s often women who say that, so they don’t look shallow. Since plenty don’t want to loose the right to blame men for being shallow.
As far as it goes about what women say concerning dating, the best thing I ever heard a suy say about that: “Never listen to womens advice on dating, becuase if you do you’ll end up nuts/confused”.

I must say though that women are prepared to compromize on looks (in general), when they get older (and uglier) themselfes and the “ulgly”guy has things like money, status, fame or a really fun/good lifestyle. Maybe a great personality might get some older women to compromize on the looks of a man as well.
So the statement that women are not as visual isn’t 100% incorrect. It’s generally around 100% incorrect with young and/or attractive women. But there are still a whole lot older (and because of age not so attractive anymore) women, that after some age often will (out of getting in touch with reality) compromize in the man his looks.

31 07 2014
survivingincel

we simply refuse to be the chomp that has to settle with a used up slut. this is why I encourage men to either expatriate to a country with a less promiscuous culture, or hit the gym to improve their looks and fashion…or both

1 08 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@eduardkoopman

“Or a really good/ fun lifestyle”.
This.

As you grow older, -generally speaking, of course- tastes change and the pyramird of priorities change. You value a lot more personality, compatibility, fun, emotional stability…. This is specially important anñfter you hit the 30yo mark.

Of course, we’ll always feel attracted to good looks, but even our definition of what’s good looking changes with time, usually becoming wider.

That’s why I miss the personality and psychological traits so missing in all this conversation. Yes, there are references to be a ” good” or a “bad” guy, and little else. Ok, you’re a handsome dude and catched a girl’s eye so now… What?

Netflix and pizza?

Women work and don’t need the men’s money anymore. They’ll chase the handsome guys for a one night stand, of course. But when they think of the rest of their life they want something else. Personality, compassion, fun, and many other qualities beyond being a gym beefcake. The woman next to needs to feel you’re someone worth living with the rest of her life.

Financial stability is one of the variables, but not the most important (by far) for any woman I know.

4 08 2014
survivingincel

this is the whole point of the blog. looks MATTER and most men only pick up the left over sluts of handsome badboys. which is why I have been saying to men with low Sexual market value that looks is far more important than personality and character or any other BS

society does not reward its productive members. Its not a coincidence that men with the most academic achievement also have the lowest sexual market value in the west. No wonder many American kids care far more about hooking up than their academic studies.

ugh just read the damn blog

5 08 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

“society does not reward its productive members. Its not a coincidence that men with the most academic achievement also have the lowest sexual market value in the west.”

Wikipedia would add a giant [citation needed] here.
Yours is a biased perception. As I told you, I’m friends with lots of brilliant students who ALSO have love/sexual life. And, if you move in the academic circles, you do too.
There’s a lot of brilliant female students too. Do they

a) have “low sexual value” because they are good students? Or
b) the magic fact of having a vagina grants them a succesful life of love and sexual fulfillment?

I’d say

c) none of the above.

And society DO REWARD its productive members. The best students get the best workplaces, and ACADEMIC / PROFESSIONAL social recognition. You put a lot of time and effort into it. The best seducer can’t expect magically to have your job just because “hey, I’m pretty”.

But for the same reasons you can’t hope to get the same grade of success in PERSONAL matters just because you somehow deserve it for being an A student. With no effort, no time invested into it.

There’s a lot of people who put their personal effort and time in social intercourses, in looking good, as you point, but also in meeting people and learning to be good at… well… being with people. They had successes and drawbacks and learned to be better at it.

And believe me, looks do fucking count, but once you’re engaged in conversation, if you don’t have a personality backing them, you’ll get only a one night stand… at most. I had a conversation like this a lot of times:

ME: “Hey, how was last night with that guy? He was hot.”
SHE: “Meh. In the end, I made an excuse and left. He was an asshole and was boring me. Don’t want him calling me for weeks”.

About kids: What is better when you’re a kid? Studying at home all the boring shit or having friends and, eventually, having girl friends? What’s funnier? What feels more rewarding when you’re just a kid? If you answer “study” you know nothing about kids. It’s been like that forever. Don’t speak like an old man.

And , I read (almost) the damn blog. I just can’t agree with the bullshit parts of it.

6 08 2014
survivingincel

you don’t have to agree with me, the truth is the truth no matter what your personal feelings are.

you ever heard of the halo effect? from your story it just sound like she just didn’t think the guy is hot enough. If she really thought he was attractive physically, being an asshole would come across as “confident” and “engaging”. Hell, I know the most interesting guys with aesthetics issues,
where they speak to girls, they don’t pay attention or look at them and just give one word answers, then as them what she think of him she just claims, “he’s boring and lacks confidence” when it is HER that has no intention in interacting with him without knowing him simply because he’s not hot enough

you are implying I have no personality in real life when you don’t know me and I reveal little about my personal life on here for a very obvious reason.

6 08 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

I’m pretty sure you’ve got a personality. I only say having one is necessary once you break the “looks barrier” you pointed -I agree to a great extent: we are visual beings, almost all first impressions we got from EVERYTHING are visual-.

I cannot judge from your experiences, or your friends’, for I don’t know them fully. But I can tell you that an attractive woman has a really easier time finding sexual partners than a man -we also agree on that-. So, their tolerance levels to assholery are lower. They can drop a hot guy, they’ll have another soon if they want.

Said that, if someone is REALLY INSANELY HOT you can tolerate a higher assholeness level, just because it’s the price of admission to bang him/her. And quickly discard him/her, most probably.

(Assholeness is not a word, is it?)

Truth: what you say is not THE truth. That’s why I disagree. Your “truth” It’s just a conclusion made of your experiences and intellect. My experiences and intellect differ, so my conclussions differ too. I’m only adding them to the discussion.

11 08 2014
survivingincel

we are only agree to disagree then

“A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees.” – William Blake

11 08 2014
survivingincel

see, in my previous posts there had been discussions on “why do women put up with emotional and physical abuse from badboys, while have no trouble telling the nice guy to fuck off for the slightest transgression”

It is amazing how much a woman is willing to put up with for a good looking badboy… including abuse

18 09 2014
P Ray

@Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque
If you’re not offering solutions or actionable insights to the incel problem(other than “be more confident” “have more personality”), you are part of the problem.
But as usual, you must be one of those guys urging regular/incel men to “accept your leavings”.
and women hate having to pay for their mistakes ….

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