My father is right in retrospect, Franklin might be wrong in some cases, some thoughts…

22 06 2014

As stated before coming from a first generation Asian American background, the older generation seldom want to hear what us younger generation has to say. In regards to man incel problems that plague the Asian/Indian men community in the west, my father gave the typical answer I expect him to say: “as long as you have money you can do everything you please, as long as you make money all your problems are solvable.” What he fail to answer is that incels in the west typically have an aptitude for math and science, many of us work in the field of Engineering(such as the indian roomate of 3rd world hero) so money isn’t a problem then why is it that the same decent men who make money remain incel?

 

In retrospect, after some analysis of what Franklin said and what my father said, they are indeed still correct. The major difference between the choosing criteria of women in Feminist vs Non-Feminist countries, is their sexual promiscuity. Women in feminist countries tend to value looks and swagger at young age thus will ride the cock carousel with the tall muscular jockeys and the handsome badboys. After they get pumped and dumped when they are older they will start to value men with money more. At the same time the women from non-feminist societies will value men with money from the beginning, and they will not ride the cock-carousel of handsome bad boys.

 

Such choosing criteria can be seen in Asian women, where they will typically look for men that DOESN’T have masculine qualities but at the same time HAVE money (the effeminate rich man) so they can manipulate those men and use them for their money. Essentially they will value money from the effeminate man (long term) above the hot sex with the jockey (short term), where as their western counter part will choose the complete opposite.

 

As any reasonable individual can see, money is important in both feminist and non-feminist countries. The bad news here, is that there are selective few incels who are in non-STEM fields, and would less likely to have money, thus making them bad choice for mates even in non-feminist countries. Franklin advocate incels to go abroad as most incels have money due to their aptitude in math and science, it does not work for incels that don’t excel in those areas. 

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33 responses

22 06 2014
Lon Spector

It might seem strange that someone thinks this way in Western
country, but some do value QUALITY over QUANITY.
Strangely enough, these are the westerners who value religions
like Buddism, Sufi Islam, Avenda Hindusim, and Taosim.
People who attend “new age” study groups, (They seek
“The Kingdom of Heaven First”) put immeadiate sexual
satisfaction on the back burner and strive for mental peace.
Such people interact with opposite sex members seeking the
same goals, function on the same comprehensive level, and have
something genuine to offer each other.

23 06 2014
survivingincel

no matter how much the frontal lobe rationalizes, the hind brain always knows what it wants

3 07 2014
P Ray

Do people go to enlightenment BEFORE or AFTER personal tragedy?
And they celebrate them, in movies like Machine Gun Preacher (oh, look at a former drug kingpin, that turns good) …
what about valuing regular people who are good, and STAY good?
Or would that increase the sexual competition, therefore many are quiet about that?

23 06 2014
Lon Spector

You CAN get it. Just place first things first. Use the power of
disgard.
Out with the old, in with the new!

24 06 2014
Franklin

There is no relationship between masculine versus effeminate and player versus responsible man. In fact I think effeminate players do better now than ever.

In non-feminist countries, women look for provider traits. Obviously having money makes a man a good candidate for being a provider, but it isn’t necessary. I was poor when I met my wife. Provider traits are basically the opposite of player traits, being responsible, hard-working, and intelligent. Men with these traits will do better outside the femisphere even if they are poor.

24 06 2014
Lon Spector

Many people believe they’ve been cheated. No one has been
cheated. Only the false (accquired) self gets “cheated.”
Non identification is the answer. 10 different people will have 10
different reactions to the same event, depending upon their
emotional investment in the outcome.
The only thing universal to humans is their fear of death.
If this building is on fire EVERYONE flees. Male, Female, rich.poor,
liberal, conservative etc..

24 06 2014
eduardkoopman

Here from Europe I also see: young women going after the attractive and/or badboy tpe of men; and rejecting/avoiding the not so attractive men and/or friendly/polite kind of men.
Then when they get to their later twenties (or thirties) oftenly it shifts, from them looking for traits like: money, reponsible, kind, etc..

I also notice that the white nerdy/not so attractive men here, more often then coincidental are found more with asian women. Not sure if it’s because the asian women can’t attract other type of men, or becuase that’s just what they value more.

I myself as an averagely attractive whit men from begin thirties, whom is doing oke-ish financially and with little bagguage. I notoce my options with women around my own age have increased alot. From around 0/no options in my teens untill mid twenties. To little options i my later twenties. Now my options are better then ever before.So I like that. I hope my options get more.

26 06 2014
survivingincel

go to latin america or south east asia

25 06 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

“Women in feminist countries tend to value looks and swagger at young age”

Women are sexual beings, just like you. They prefer atractive partners, just like you would. Women who don’t fit into the common beauty standards have a harder time finding them. Google around and you’ll find plenty of examples.
And of course, If you’re a woman with an education and a job, you don’t depend on your male partner, so you’re free to choose whoever you fancy and don’t look for a “provider”.

“ride the cock carousel” is simply having fun and enjoy their sex life, just the same way anyone wants to do it.

Hope you’re doing some kind of therapy, apart from hatespeeching and self-pitying.

26 06 2014
survivingincel

speaking the truth is hatespeech now? This blog is actually far more about self improvement. look at the earlier parts of the blog its about self improvement.

Read some of the comments by Franklin and you will know the reason on why most cultures look down upon sexual promiscuty and its dire consequences of the player/bitch culture.

critique of culture is also a major theme of the blog, as moral and intelligent men are considered “nerdy” and “boring”. Violent criminals are considered “exciting”

I am not in need of therapy,as I am not the one that’s wrong. Its Western society needs fixing.

28 06 2014
koopman eduard

I agree that this particular post/article isn’t hate-speeching.
I do agree that this post shows self-pitty/victim attitude.

Also stating that you’re not the one that’s wrong and that the society needs fixing. Imo, shows that you lack in the ability of introspection and being critical about yourself. Because it looks like you and plenty of the people here like to drawn in a feeling of pitty and victim-mentality. And that you want to stay in that state, thus any “sulution” or way/idea around or to solve the problem (somewhat) is rejected.
Therapy should help to learn to be honest and introspective about yourself more.

30 06 2014
survivingincel

I am actually a quite objective individual who will not deny I am wrong, if I am wrong. It is western society here that gives no reward to its productive members, but rewards the bad boys who doesn’t contribute to it.

If I am not introspective about myself, I would not have started this blog in the first place. This is not a blog about self pity, as it is about me taking action to change my circumstance (i.e. working out, dieting, and expatriating)

30 06 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

So, if I understood well, is it bad for the world that women can choose their partners according to their tastes?

3 07 2014
P Ray

So, if I understood well, is it bad for the world that women can choose their partners according to their tastes?
No, it’s bad that women can have a long history of sex, but then when they come into your life can lie to your face and say “you’re the first” or pull the “nice men don’t ask girls that question” schtick.
Women ask for honesty from men, but many won’t answer the question of how many cocks they had in the past.
Why should a regular guy, who has few if any relationships, blindly trust women?

9 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Of course they won’t, if you express it in such an hostile, harsh way. When you get emotionally involved with a woman, she will tell you about her past… If you’re not an asshole about it.
I’ve know almost everything about the sex-love life of all my romantic partners, successes and failures, ups and downs.
Because they trusted me and they knew the number of former lovers wasn’t going to affect our relationship. It wasn’t the first day, because I dodn’t give a fuck about it, but later, when I expressed interest or they decided to tell me about so I could understand them better.

Asking about it the first day is a stupid, harsh move, that only shows you’re an insecure, controlling asshole. You’ll know about it,eventually.

[Banality] And, from the point of a man who likes sex: you want a woman as experienced as you can get. They perform better in bed. They’ve been rehearsing. [/Banality]

10 07 2014
survivingincel

feel free to pick the left overs of the handsome badboys

10 07 2014
P Ray

Asking about it the first day is a stupid, harsh move, that only shows you’re an insecure, controlling asshole. You’ll know about it,eventually.
A man a woman likes, is looking out for her when he asks such a question.
A man a woman DOESN’T like, is an asshole when he asks such a question …

13 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

“feel free to pick the left overs of the handsome badboys”

By your standards and your way of seeing things, I’d be the handsome badboy, picking up the girls other men could not satisfy. By my standards, I’m an average european male. Even “intelligent and moral”, quoting you.

In general, you show quite a childish conceiving of the human interactions and relationships that will succesfully preserve you from having any interaction from women if you don’t change it.

I’ve been in love with a few women and none of them had a former badboy or too many sex partners. They’ve had average boyfriends or husbands and it didn’t work for one reason or another.

And I’m not an exception, I’m the rule.

“A man a woman likes, is looking out for her when he asks such a question. A man a woman DOESN’T like, is an asshole when he asks such a question …”

Imagine there’s this really hot girl thet you meet and like and it seems she likes you and suddendly she asks you how many pussies have you eaten in your whole life. Because, you know, she’s not kissing a mouth that has sucked so much cunt. She’s a stupid woman and she made a stupid move.
It’s a red flag of “Bitch Be Crazy Get Out NOW”. Apply it in reverse.

You don’t give that kind of sensible, intimate information to someone you don’t trust. And feeling in the need for such information to judge if the person in front of you deserves your respect just shows that you cannot be trusted with it.

14 07 2014
survivingincel

“I’ve been in love with a few women and none of them had a former badboy or too many sex partners.”
– you realize women understate and men embellish when that question is asked, right?

oh, and if you are successful in modern dating of the west, you are probably not as “intelligent and moral” as you think

14 07 2014
P Ray

Imagine there’s this really hot girl thet you meet and like and it seems she likes you and suddendly she asks you how many pussies have you eaten in your whole life. Because, you know, she’s not kissing a mouth that has sucked so much cunt. She’s a stupid woman and she made a stupid move.
It’s a red flag of “Bitch Be Crazy Get Out NOW”. Apply it in reverse.

You poor fellow, in your example I would come off very well, because I haven’t done that.
Your reasoning skills are poor, aren’t they?

14 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

Human interactions are complicated stuff. Even more when sexuality is in the middle.

But the very fact of thinking of them as “The Game” shows an infantile, shallow and harmful way of thinking of it. Someone wins, someone loses, and you have to be a Good Player.

It’s the way a 14 year old thinks about dating.

I would advice you to listen to Dan Savage podcasts or any other similar sex-positive shows, full of examples of different people with different needs and wishes and pains and pleasures.

Being american, I suppose you know quite a lot than me (spanish).

15 07 2014
survivingincel

um..if you have read any of my previous posts I have never advocated any PUA and I also stated PUA is BS, AND there is a reason why many asian/Indian Americans are flooding to PUA and why its wrong

14 07 2014
Alberto Pérez Pérez-Duque

@survivingincel:
“you realize women understate and men embellish when that question is asked, right?”

You realize I got to know really well this woman, and she didn’t feel the need to lie, because I never asked her about it, right? She told me about her the same way I told her about me, in casual conversations, when we got to know each other.

“if you are successful in modern dating of the west, you are probably not as “intelligent and moral” as you think”

Oh, come on. There’s a lot of women who want not only a cute boyfriend, but an intelligent and honest person. Just because you lack social skills and/or behave like a dick and/or are not physically attractive does not mean the fucking rest of the world are immoral dumb thugs and mindless whores.

@P Ray:
“You poor fellow, in your example I would come off very well, because I haven’t done that. Your reasoning skills are poor, aren’t they?”

If you can’t see a clear, giant sign of Crazy Person Ahead, you’re not much wiser than me, pal. Would you really bed such an insecure, controlling crazy woman?

14 07 2014
survivingincel

I never said the rest of the world are immoral dumb thug mindless whores but being an immoral dumb thug certainly give you an edge in the dating game

14 07 2014
P Ray

Imagine there’s this really hot girl thet you meet and like and it seems she likes you and suddendly she asks you how many pussies have you eaten in your whole life. Because, you know, she’s not kissing a mouth that has sucked so much cunt. She’s a stupid woman and she made a stupid move.
Umm, I would point out that I haven’t slept with anyone, and she needs to be inspected medically BEFORE I BELIEVE HER.
Since I’ve got way more to lose than she does, e.g. “false rape accusation, STD transfer”

26 06 2014
Lon Spector

Why would a person want a shallow stimulation seeker?

30 06 2014
survivingincel

I am the wrong person to ask

3 07 2014
P Ray

Why would a person want a shallow stimulation seeker?
You seem to be saying that “a nice man should not want a hot woman”.
It’s precisely that attitude that gets women “hot or not” saying to guys “don’t ask me how much sex I had in the past before meeting you, or you are not a nice guy”.
They stupidly ignore the reality that a woman with multiple sex partners, has developed a lower threshold for sticking with 1 relationship, possible STDs (which can be inherited or express themselves as health issues later in life) or mental disorders.

The question should then be asked “why would a person NOT want a shallow stimulation seeker?”
Because, as I understand it, many relationships have the foundation of SHARED EXPERIENCES, which is STIMULATION.
Trying to build a relationship without shared experiences, is like trying to build a house out of beach sand. It won’t last.
(On the other hand, women CHOOSE which men to share experiences with, since they can easily file charges for harassment against guys they DON’T want to share experiences with).
Women may control the sex … but men control the commitment.

30 06 2014
Lon Spector

If you’ve had sex 10 times, you’ve probably had it in all it’s
varients. You’ve had “good” sessions and “bad” sessions.
You know what “it” is like. You only need enough to say you’ve
had it before you die. But once you’re dead, you’ll have no
memory of your prior sessions anyway. And if there IS an
afterlife, sex will be the last thing on your mind. (Unless, the
Islamic version of heaven is true.) Funny how, they get everything
in heaven that they can’t have here. But to qualify for that, you
have to convert, and strap a bomb on your back. I seriously
doubt that’s worth it.
Looking for the outer Heaven is futile. It’s the inner Heaven that
should concern us.

3 07 2014
P Ray

It’s probably easier to have sex 10 times, when the sex can be bought.
And yet women, who say they believe in female agency and a woman’s sexual choices, say that buying sex is wrong.
LOLZ.

3 07 2014
P Ray

The cost of commitment to the average woman by a regular guy attractive to them
(Incels will pay a MUCH higher price):
returnofkings.com/37502/the-american-dream-is-every-mans-nightmare

4 07 2014
P Ray

That article sounds like a confirmation of that statement:
“A man never starts worrying about the future until he gets married;
A woman never stops worrying about the future until she gets married.”

3 07 2014
Lon Spector

This may seem like a completely off topic subject, but there’s
more to it then meets the eye. This July 5th marks the 3rd
anniversary of the acquital of child killer Casey Anthony. If
you are not famular with that case look into it. Casey was/is
the “poster girl,” the genuine protoype of everything that the
incel finds objectionable in the modern woman.
Casey is “alone” but NOT unloved. Many incel men would do
ANYTHING for a girl like her, even if she DID get away with
murder.

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